Monday, 10 December 2012

Reply to Young Students Tanaya and Aditya

Dear Tanaya and Aditya,
            I have received your email, and am giving my reply, but before doing so in detail I wish to make some preliminary remarks:

1. I have been misquoted in the press reports, but it is true that I have said that 90% Indians (not all) are fools. My intention in saying so was not to hurt anyone but to awaken people to the realities, that is, the widespread casteism, communalism, superstitions, and other backward traits in the mindset of a large section of our people which is blocking our progress and keeping us poor.

2. The figure 90% is not a mathematical figure, it simply means that in my opinion a large proportion of Indians (and again I repeat, not all) are fools.

3. I never named you, nor any community, caste, or sect, and I never said that you are in the category of 90%. Hence I do not see how you are defamed.

4. I made this comment not to humiliate or harm anyone but because I love the Indian people, they are my people, and I wish them to prosper and have decent lives, which is only possible if the Indian masses develop the scientific outlook and scientific temper and give up casteism, communalism, superstitions and other mental attitudes which a large part (not all) of them presently suffer from. I wish to see India in the front ranks of the advanced industrialized nations of the world, with our people having a high standard of living, instead of suffering from the present evils of massive poverty, unemployment, price rise, corruption, farmer’s suicides, child malnutrition, absence of health care and good education, casteism etc. So you see I made that statement not to harm the Indian people, whom I love, but to benefit them. The truth is sometimes bitter, but sometimes bitter medicine has to be given to an ailing person.
Having said this, I may proceed to give a more elaborate explanation.
 I wish to first of all clarify that I do not regard Indians as inherently stupid or foolish. It is only at present that large parts of our people are foolish. But there was a time when we were leading the whole world in science and technology, and India was perhaps the most prosperous country in the world. It is now that we are having bad times, but we had a glorious past and shall have a glorious future too, but for that we have to get rid of casteism, communalism, superstitions and other backward traits in the mentality of a large part of our people (because of which I call them fools).

India’s Past
With the aid of science we had built mighty civilizations thousands of years ago when most people in Europe( except in Greece and Rome) were living in forests. We had made outstanding scientific discoveries e.g. decimal system in mathematics, plastic surgery in medicine, etc (see in this connection my article ‘Sanskrit as a Language of Science' ). However, we subsequently took to the unscientific path of superstitions and empty rituals, which has led us to disaster. The way out of the present morass is to go back again to the path shown by our scientific ancestors, the path of Aryabhatta and Brahmagupta, Sushrut and Charak, Panini and Patanjali, Ramanujan and Raman.

It is not necessary to mention here all the great achievements of our ancestors, but I may just mention a few.

      1.  The decimal system in mathematics was the most remarkable and revolutionary invention in the past, and it was created by Indians. To understand its significance, one must know that the ancient Romans, who built a great civilization (The civilization of Caesar and Augustus), felt very uncomfortable with numbers above 1000. This was because they expressed their numbers in alphabets, I standing for 1, V for 5, X for 10, L for 50, C for 100, D for 500, and M for 1000. There was no single alphabet expressing a number above 1000. Hence to write 2000 an ancient Roman had to write MM, to write 3000 he had to write MMM, and to write 1 million he had to write M one thousand times, which would drive him crazy.  
     On the other hand, our ancestors discovered the number 0, and hence to write 1 million they had simply to put 6 zeros after 1.
   
     2.  Plastic surgery was invented by Sushrut 2000 years ago, whereas Europeans invented it only about 100 or 200 years back.

      3.   The English alphabets are all arranged haphazardly, there is no reason why D is followed by E, or E by F, or F by G, etc. On the other hand Panini in the first 14 sutras of his Ashtadhyayi arranged the alphabets in Sanskrit scientifically. Thus , the first sequence of 5 consonants (the  ka varga i.e. ka, kha, ga, gha, na ) are all sounds which emanate from the throat, the second sequence from the middle of the tongue, the third from the roof of the mouth, the fourth from the tip of the tongue, and the fifth from the lips. The second and fourth consonants in each sequence are aspirants in which the sound ‘ha’ is combined with the previous consonant e.g. ka+ha =kha.
  
     4.  5000 years ago in the Indus Valley Civilization the system of town planning was created with straight streets, covered drains, water and sewage system, etc

5.  Before the coming of the British India was a prosperous country. Its share in world trade in    1700 was about 30%, which fell to 2% by the end of British rule and is still not more than 3%. 
  
  India’s Present

Today there is no doubt that India is a poor country. While there are some pockets of affluence, about 80% of our people are afflicted with poverty, unemployment and other evils, and one major cause of this is the mental backwardness of a large part of our people.
(though there are also brilliant people like the Indian scientists and engineers in Silicon Valley)

 Consider the following:

1. When most of our people go to vote they cast their votes on the basis of caste or religion, not the merit of the candidate. What else is the meaning of vote banks? And this is exploited by some unscrupulous politicians who know how to manipulate and manage these vote banks. That is why many persons with criminal backgrounds get elected.

2.  ‘Honour’ killings are common in many parts of the country. This is a barbaric practice, and shows how backward many of us still are.

3. Dowry deaths are common in India, and as a former Judge I can tell you that our courts have a large number of cases of young married women who are murdered in a barbaric manner by their in laws for not getting dowry e.g. by pouring petrol on them and setting them on fire.

4. Scheduled castes are still often treated inhumanly, and an example is the recent attack on dalits in  Dharmapuri district in Tamil Nadu.

5. Female foeticide is common in many parts of India. Often when a male child is born the relatives are happy and distribute sweets, but when a female child is born often relatives get dejected. This is also a sign of backwardness among many of us.

6. Communalism, which was almost non-existent in 1857, is widespread in our society today. Muslims often face discrimination in getting jobs, houses on rent, etc, as the Justice Sachar Committee report has highlighted.  Muslims are often falsely implicated in bomb blasts and they have to spend years in jail though ultimately found innocent.

As I mentioned, upto 1857 communalism was almost non-existent in India. There were no doubt differences between Hindu and Muslims, but there was no enmity between them. In the Mutiny of 1857 Hindus and Muslims jointly fought against the British. After crushing the Mutiny the British decided that the only way to control India was divide and rule. Consequently, the policy came from London to create hatred between Hindus and Muslims. The British Collector used to secretly call the Panditji and gave him money to speak against the Muslims, and similarly he gave money to the Maulvi Saheb to speak against Hindus. All communal riots began after 1857. The communal award in the Minto-Morley ‘Reforms’ of 1909 introduced separate electorates for Hindus and Muslims. Year after year, decade after decade, the communal poison was injected by the British into our body politic, and even after 1947 there are elements which continue this (see online ‘History in the Service of Imperialism’ and my article ‘What is India’ on my blog justicekatju.blogspot.in)

            Certain agent provocateurs take advantage of our backwardness to incite communal riots, and unfortunately many people fall prey to these evil designs and get emotionally carried away by communal propaganda and fight with each other.

5. Superstition is rampant in India. Most people believe in astrology, which is pure superstition and humbug. And it is not just the illiterates who believe in it, it is also most of the so called educated people in India. Many Ministers and Judges prefer to take oath of office at the ‘auspicious’ time.
            A few years back it was announced that Lord Ganesh is drinking milk, and there was a rush of people to offer milk to Ganesh. Earlier, a ‘miracle’ chapati was circulating.

6. A large section of the media, taking advantage of the backwardness of a large section of our people, dishes out lives of filmstars, cricket, etc as if these are the real issues before the people, when the real issues are socio-economic.

            As I said above, when I called most people(not all)  fools I did not wish to harm them, rather it was just the contrary. I want India to become a prosperous country, but this is possible only when the mindset of a large number of people changes, and their minds are rid of casteism, communalism, superstitions, and other backward ideas and they become scientific and modern.

            By being modern I do not mean wearing a nice suit or a beautiful sari or skirt. By being modern I mean developing a modern mind, which means a rational mind, a scientific mind, and a questioning mind. As already stated above, at one time we led the whole world in science and technology, but today we are undoubtedly far behind the West and even China. How did this happen? Why were we left behind, why did we not have an Industrial Revolution like Europe? This is known as ‘Needham’s Question’ or ‘Needham’s Grand Question’, named after Prof. Joseph Needham of Cambridge University (1900-1995). It is high time Indians try to answer this question, instead of trying to evade the reality of the backwardness of most of us.

            The worst thing in life is poverty, and 80% of our people are poor, which is largely because of the mental backwardness of most (not all) of us. To abolish poverty we need to spread the scientific outlook to every nook and corner of our country. It is only then that India will shine. And until that happens the vast majority of our people will continue to be taken for a ride.

                                                                                               - Justice Markandey Katju
                                                                                                     
            




          
             

355 comments:

  1. motive behind Mr. Katju's statement is more important than nitpicking on you have defamed me or she. Let us not be in denial mode. Moreover, Mr.Katju is not an ordinary person to hurl words at others. Atleast give respect to his age and his experience as a SC Judge. Please don't act like a ordinary person and pick quarrels please.

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    1. I think Mr Katju's remark are in no way defamative, it was in the right spirit, to awaken the citizens, that we are mislead in the name of religion, i think these two bright young guys should, take it has positive que from the comment rather than the publicity.

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    2. I agree with Mr Katju. We need to go beyond casteism and backwardness. It feels shameful when my friends, who are Engineers, go to a astrologer to decide the date and time to launch their new vanture...

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    3. I still wonder how he will explain more than 62,000 sucides committed by married men in India every years. Sir, you spoke about dowry death, where 64% cases are found to be false. Female foeticide - where the aborting mother is not penalised but everyone in her in-laws family are...Why are these discrepancies sir.

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  2. The funniest thing that can happen here now is when someone co,es forward implying the IT Act. I don't think that even this latter can help understand any narrow minded extremist what the point is. Why people get offended on a thing said to a whole community, where no names are called, and the remark of "90%" makes it clear that we still have 10% untouched and unaccounted in this matter.

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    1. IT Act (66A) Does not apply here. As it is only used against "Aam Aadmi" by people in power.

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  3. After seeing these bogus reactions over Justice Katju's statement (that one having some good intention ),, it automatically provide a proof that 90% of Indian Media works to make public fool , they always want to add spices in the news .

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  4. very good observations about india!!!but i would say most among 90% folls as u said are not reLLY fools but they choose to be fool.that is more dangerous when people wantedly act as fool..

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  5. Dear Katju sir,
    I hope the justification will work for students to understand the facts, I appriciate the way of explaining through History.

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  6. Dear Sir,

    The legal notice was sent with sole intentions to seek publicity which is evident from the fact that the siblings along with their mother (Nutan Thakur) had earlier filed similar bogus complaint against Nirmal Baba (although a completely different personality than you). Moreover, the legal notice itself ratifies your comment.

    Regards,

    Peeush Sharma

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  7. Dear Justice Katju
    In my humble opinion, acute reactions to the truism you stated seem to me like nothing but a vindication of your statement. May I add that denial is one more element of this general state of foolishness.

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  8. Sir,
    I found this article as a fresh breeze on the internet. I fully agree with your findings.
    Hareesh Reddy C

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  9. Waah ! Great Explanation! Worth reading.

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  10. "Atheism for a better India", casteless, religionless, genderless.

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    1. aw, come'on! Don't be like that....Atheism has to come from within..unlike religion :P

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  11. Respected Sir, I , Rushil Chandra, am a student of Dr. Ram Manohar Lohiya National Law University and as a student of law I sincerely appreciate your stand and your way of justifying your statement. What you said is actually true and I ascertain that all the students and youth would agree with your view because this is what we need to realize. We as a nataion need to realize our shortcomings and there is no better way of making people realize than someone with authority stepping up and opening our eyes. By fools its not meant that 90% population is absolutely stupid or incapable but it means that they are seeing the world around them with the lenses of ignorance...... I strongly support your statement Sir.

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    1. Good...at least lawyers should defend themselves. It's not about the situation being alarming...has it been since some time or so? We perfectly remember the politics behind prohibition of sati. Yes, indeed, his reply is reasoned, but looking at the NCRB reports, the shameless situation of India could not be ignored. Starting from a family to international corporates, India shines as a detrimental catalyst. I aspire what Mr. Kstju is doing.

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  12. Dear Sir,

    You nailed it. Thanks for this excellent write-up.

    Regards,
    Senthazal Ravi

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  13. We need not go to the past. Ram Mohan Roy had already criticized the Sanskrit language and its inherent grammatical handicap. The only solution we must take forward from his and from the teachings of Sir Sayed Ahmed Khan, Gopal Krishna Gokhle, Tarabai Sindhe etc is western education, western education and western education. Make a law to de-legalize caste (and possibly religion too)and introduce a chapter and subject on atheism.

    "Atheism for a better India"

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  14. Dear Sir,

    I completely agree with your arguments, Indeed most of us are victims of the prevailing stereotypes we are modern by our attire and gadgets, but when it comes to do the just we scare away.


    By your writings you are truly doing a great job.

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  15. Simply excellent.

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  16. Really very nice way of explanation..

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  17. Great point and even a greater reply sir. The people in India may be 'literate', but they also need to be 'educated.'

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  18. सुनहु नाथ तुम्ह सहज सुजाना। बालक बचनु करिअ नहिं काना।।
    बररै बालक एकु सुभाऊ। इन्हहि न संत बिदूषहिं काऊ।।
    (ससम्मान-राकेश कुमार सिंह, लखनऊ)

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  19. Clearly one of the qualities Indians need to develop if they are ever to become 'developed' as a nation is to be able to deal with constructive criticism.

    I agree with Justice Katju's criticism and description of Indians as idiots or fools.

    The Justice has outlined his reasons for his beliefs. People are free to agree or to disagree. Why get so offended so quickly?

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  20. HON,BLE SIR,VERY INFORMATIVE, LOGICAL AND CORRECT INFORMATION. EVEN RATE OF LITERACY SHOWN BY ECONOMIC SERVEY IS ITSELF HAS A QUESTION MARK.

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  21. Dear Sir,

    I am in sync with what you have said but would like to put it in my words to give a cooling off to the people who might read between the lines of your article:

    Nonchalant intelligentsia spewing venom and bellowing smoke and fire through their nostrils, remaining oblivious of the fact that they are simply wasting their achievements their finesse and poise on baseless and mindless topics, exposing their weaknesses which has been taken advantage of by vested interests since generations.

    We need your talent and the overdrive to drive this nation to unparalleled growth and make it stand among world's top 3 countries by setting exemplary standards and holding together our branches and creating a legacy for our generations in the waiting for them to stand up with pride and carry it ahead.

    Look, think, feel, muster and decide what is better: to continue and remain redundant or to kick off to a flying start , choose out of your mind and heart.

    Thanks

    Sanjay R Gupta

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  22. Dear Sir,

    Thanks a lot for being the voice of millions, we are all victims of corruption and we wish to break free of it.

    Regards,
    Vanitha

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  23. Dear Sir,
    I completely agree with you...90% of Indians are idiots. Oh How much I wish to live in a world free from Religion and Casteism. Religion and our political leaders are fooling people.I have myself faced problems finding a home as I am a minority. I so much wish India had a legal option for people who wanted to convert to atheism.
    I feel so alone when surrounded with those 90% of the Indians you talked about earlier..but its good when someone as honorable as you believes the same of our godless religions and soulless politicians.

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  24. Dear Sir,

    We are easily swerved and manipulated by dirty politicians in the name of religion,caste & political hero worship.We understand why you have said what you have said.There is no need for any explanation from your side.We understand.

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  25. Dear Mr Katju
    You have rightly quoted But, saying this Don't you fall in the remaining 90% of the population whom u call fool. U have told us the problem which is known to most of us. Even the ricksha puller will tell you the same. So where is the difference between you and him? if you don't believe just go into Bihar.
    As you have said the problem raised fall into the category of Needham's Grand Question. Why don't u mobilize the remaining 10% population of India in finding the solution of this Grand Question?



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    1. Great man
      you have the guts to stand out.

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    2. @ Abhinav Ranjan, where are u? You are very well in the 90% of idiots. Join the 10% and move above such comments and do your might to uplift the 90% and try to bring the 10% by at least 1%, you will feel be more proud than now.

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    3. @ Abhinav thanks for letting us know that you are from 90 %

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  26. Can similar remarks be made about the judicial officers.

    My first case was before a consumer court against an insurance co. The complainant's husband had died in a motor accident and hence the claim was made under personal accident policy. The claim was denied by insurance company saying that the deceased was drunk at the time of accident.

    In my complaint I enclosed FIR and post mortem report. In the opening paras I referred to the part of FIR and Post mortem wherein it was mentioned that the deceased was drunk at the time of accident.

    The insurance company in their written statement, filed copies of the FIR and post mortem report. They did not make any averments to contradict my complaint.

    I was asked to file evidence in the case. I said there is no need to file the same as there is no fact in my complaint which has been denied by OP.

    I was told that I will lose my case in case I do not file the evidence. I was asked to sign the note sheet that I do not want to file the evidence. I did all that.

    Somehow that gentlemen was nice. He applied his mind and on the next date he agreed to all that I had said and gave quick and favourable decision.

    But the same questions are raised about the process of courts. The attitude of others is still worse. They simply refuse to agree or disagree. They some how can not reconcile to the fact that replication, evidence is required only if there is dispute on facts of the case.

    People become very hostile when I make a statement which they have never heard in life. But that is the statement they have not even a single line to logically refute.

    I have made the best of discoveries so far in health field. But they are simply opposite to what medical science says. People prefer dying then listening to me.

    I have been interacting with highly educated people. The way they behave and act shocks me.

    I disagree with your remarks about poverty and illerates. I find illeterates better equiped to answer those questions. There is no advocate who agrees to my points of views on law. But there is no rickshaw puller who disagrees with me.

    The need of the hour is to look at the education system. We Indians are much better off without education. Common sense is much better then education.

    Need is the mother of all inventions - I heard so. How can any one create the need in the mind of a child who is very well off.

    I am still looking for 3 generations of a family who did equally well in all fields. If you find them please do tell me. Money is the reason for all ailments of our society.

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  27. Mr.Katju,
    Your love for Bharat(India) is great and appreciable. As you rightly pointed out Bharat was at its peak when Sanskrit was the language spoken and return and when religion was a way of living which followed Vedas in its true sense. Only and only, if all us follow and practice the true vedas and by putting aside our religions then only we can achieve our past glory. None of the civilizations in the world could match a feet that is achieved by the Indus Valley Civilization. For your kind information Astrology is a Science which is practiced since ages in Bharat (sadly to a larger extent it is misused now to exploit people).

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  28. The Honourable Justice Katju has written an erudite response to the hurt students.

    In my humble opinion, while Justice Katju's intentions are noble, his usage of language is quite harsh and uncalled for. Sathyam Bhruyath, yes, of course. But our ancients also recommended Priyam Bhruyath.

    I may not go so far as to say Na Bhruyath Sathyam Apriyam. But, IMHO, Sathyam Apriyam has to be said cautiously.

    Some comments on this article here have gone so far as to advocate atheism and western education alone. Let us not throw out the spiritual essence of Indian culture which, IMHO, warmly embraces the core precepts of most religions, in the quest for material progress of the West. The western world is currently facing serious problems of its own due to a lack of love and concern towards the fellow man, and the divide between its haves and the have-nots is threatening social stability.

    We need a balanced path involving science & technology as well as the noble Indian cultural & spiritual values. Practices like dowry deaths, female foeticide certainly will not be considered noble Indian cultural/spiritual values by the majority of Indians.

    Let us not look down upon all Indian villagers who may not be well versed with western/secular education. They are the people who labour in the fields and grow food for the educated Indians to eat, and do many other hard labour tasks which well educated Indians shirk from doing. Let us treat them with dignity and not call them 'idiots'. If they have wrong practices let us try to teach them the ethical way of life in a nice way, without trying to treat them like fools. Such name-calling language may be counter-productive leading to them simply rejecting any efforts to reform their wrong practices.

    Isha Vasyam Idam Sarvam, teaches the Upanishads. The not-so-well-educated Indian, whether rural or urban, is also a form of God. Let us treat him with dignity and love.

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    1. Such a diplomatic reply Mr. Iyer. It's because of educated narrow minded people like you that are doing harm to India.He was in no way promoting atheism.If you believe in astrology,u r a stupid...plain n simple.
      "The western world is currently facing serious problems of its own due to a lack of love and concern towards the fellow man, and the divide between its haves and the have-nots is threatening social stability"
      So all the communities in India r loving each other and we don't have any kind of problems ? wake up Mr. Iyer ..wake up.Morals don't come from being religious..they come from being HUMAN ...a ratioanal human.

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  29. While Mr. Katju may have made some remarks which are in-your-face, as usual, he's quite right in his supporting arguments proving convincingly that modern day India is not even a shadow of the glorious country it once was. I believe vested interests, including the priesthood of most religions in existence today, have misinterpreted and misquoted our scriptures and ancient texts to suit their convenience. The caste system is one such aberration which needs to be done away with, but finds favour with our beloved politicians who use it merely for political gains, not really to uplift the downtrodden. Wish people of the country realized this and chose their leaders wisely to lead India to match its once glorious past. No point harping on our past glory, and high time we actually did something to change things around. In this regard, I fully support new leaders like Arvind Kejriwal, who may not be a perfect / flawless individual, but his intentions are worthy of our support.

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  30. It is difficult to disagree with your views but admire these students who have taken umbrage to your comments. The future of this country rests with them and I hope they are able to shed the baggage of caste, community, corruption and easy and indolent life style inherited by their seniors.

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  31. sir,
    we the youth, certainly feel inspired by your self-realization write-ups. there was need a of this kind of national(vested-interests free) voice. we got you, sir. This seems a awakening call for all of India. but there is a need to spread this voice
    in each and every corner of our nation

    abhishek yadav
    Dr.RMLNLU
    LKO

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  32. The reply of Mr. Justice Katju is very well balanced and to an extent persuasive to the contentment of the two students. But in my opinion the Jurist has certainly bracketed himself in the remaining 10% of wise men. He deserves it too. While going through the elaboration he has not mentioned the 'immense' contribution of the contemporary Indian Political leadership and 'efficient' handling of corruption probes and the percentage utilisation of tax payers money at the hands of babus in the highest echelons of power. I wish he would like to dwell upon these too. Because the poverty and hapless condition of 90% of foolish Indians will then certainly not be their burden only. Further, if he likes to credit Sushruta, Aryabhattta et al, then who is he to discredit Bhrigu, Krishnamurthy, Lahiri and others who have codified the astrological science. The times when India was a 'golden bird' and thus wealthy - economically, socially and culturally - the hapless poor and backward Indians were a hapless lot and then also the remaining 10% enjoyed the fruits of progress and prosperity. Only a few of JP, Bhave, Bahuguna, Amte, Patkar, Anna have thrown their comforts and devoted themselves to the upliftment of the poorest of the poor - a slogan coined and pursued my the Mahatma. The two students, the ones amongst the bubbling young Indians, may not be cent percent right in taking recourse to the revolutionary redressal but they are right in expressing their anguish to a large extent. We should not forget they carry the legacy of their seniors - their forefathers,yours, mine and Mr Justice Katju included! We carry the burden of counselling and guiding our posterity well.

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  33. I am happy to see you explaining your point of view. Today most of the people don't dare / desire to explain their illusions.

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  34. The little girls were either prompted by someone or they were after a bit of publicity and sensation.
    Any person thinking dispassionately will understand and agree with you the abyss we are going into a cul de sac!

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  35. Come on Justice Katju, you can do better than this. It was just an opinion and you are entitled to it. What if tomorrow I say, Justice Katju is a fool? Will you come running after me. And I am just curious to know, even if you wanted to, would you be able to file a suit for defamation against me and win it if I said that? I keep saying such things now and then and want to know how strong they might have a case against me :)

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  36. Very nice explanation sir. I appreciate for you. But I could not understand why Tanaya and Aditya reacted to that number 90% Indians? Are they belongs to this 90% or simply reacted that statement without proper understanding it? I hope now they will understand what's the meaning of 90% Indians...

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  37. You proved already and now by replying to their email that you are not an Idiot, and the 2 students who wanted to sue you are proved that they are idiots among the 90% -- Chiru, Hyderabad

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  38. Katju Sir, I see that you are a visionary, If you were to ever read this, You sir should know better than trying to educate fools. Education is for the uneducated, learning for the unlearned, information for the uninformed. But Wisdom is for you to know and understand. Democracy in the hands of a majority of fools is a nightmare, and we have come close to losing our sanity quite a few times. Fortunately, somehow we keep going on as a nation united. Left to the extremists, politicians of the day, and these charlatans misleading the herds of brainless majorities, we won't survive at all. We've Just been very lucky!

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  39. 90% foolish Indians, perhaps, are the descendants of those 90% whose ancestors, according to you, had migrated from other places; and were not inhabitants of this country.

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  40. dear Mr Katju,

    This is the first time i have visited your blog though i have enjoyed sharing your outlook on many issues.

    What strikes me as an irony is the title of your blog... Satyam bruyat....


    The whole sholk is from manu smriti and goes on as....

    satyam bhruyat priym bhruyat
    na bhruyat satyam a priya
    priya ca na nrutam bhruyat
    eshah dharma sanatan


    Your truths are bitter and harsh, sometimes, and unplesant at other times.

    Its wise to either change the name of the blog or maybe tone down the rhetoric.

    Deepest regards
    Vivek Raina




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    1. Dear Vivek,

      Justice Katju is NOT a politician. People who speak sweet, may not essentially do a good job, in long terms. Also, he has selected part of the phrase which you have been referring to. If you don't like it, don't read it. FREEDOM OF SPEECH YOU SEE.

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    2. http://justicekatju.blogspot.sg/2012/04/90.html?spref=tw

      Read the first few paragraphs of this original article by justice Katju for his clarification on why he must go against the dictate of the Smriti

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  41. Terse and to the point reply Sir! It's a shame that some people don't even make the effort to understand your remarks in depth and in context of what you were referring to!

    As for these two students, one is 1st year BA LLB student at CNLU, Patna and her bother is in class 11th. As mentioned earlier by someone, she has also resorted to filing of an FIR against one Nirmal Baba to gain some fan fare in the media. This notice issued to you is no different. She is also proudly taking about this notice that she sent you on her Facebook profile: http://on.fb.me/QSnuok

    Retards.

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  42. Honourable Justice Katju,
    Hats-off to you Sir. What an explanation!!! This information should be an eye-opener for those 90% fools & idiots. Tanaya & Aditya are the ones who should apologise.....for knowingly or unknowingly doing such a "foolish" and "idiotic" act.
    Regards.....
    Tina Negi, Bangalore.

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  43. Dear Tanaya and Aditya,Well you have sent a legal notice to former supreme court judge. You said you will move court if Justice Katju doesn't apologise. on the statement that at least 90 percent of Indians are "idiots".Its really courage's to both of you for counting your self in that 90%.Well it shows the mind set.

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  44. I agree with you 100%.. Someone has to show us the mirror! How long we will keep on shooting the messenger for speaking the truth? Even my aunts and uncles have no opinion on FDI but they fondly watch the India TV when it says "Chudail pyaaj maange raat ko"

    Don't mind Justice Katju; altercation always diminishes the difference between fools and wise and fools knows it so well!

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    1. I agree with my old friend mayank here. It is becoming increasing difficult to strike intelligent conversation with fellow countrymen. I can, to a certain extent reconcile with the regressive thinking of the elder generation. But what is worse is that the condition is appallingly worse with the 25-35 year generation.Seems like their intellectual stupor is being deepened by the level of popular discourse.

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  45. This most illustrative piece of mind of one of our age’s foremost thinkers and legal minds who place askance on this controversy and I hope readers will have the pith of vision to soul search themselves and learn from it.

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  46. Dear Teacher, I take this opportunity to address you as Teacher ( to be precise knowledge giver in Indian sense) as i have learnt from you so much to interact with students in classes. As Swami Vivekananda argued it is not just the words, the thoughts and personality of teacher gets reflected in words that makes impact on people. Today I am a proud Indian because I have mustered strength to examine myself before a mirror what is right and wrong with me. No one else in the world has done it as Mahatma Gandhiji has done ( Howard Gardner have indicated that there is no parallel in history for any leader to examine dispassionately as Gandhiji during a talk at IIT Madras). Thank you very much sir. I remember this day as you provided answers to me Why I am like this? Am I inherently programmed to be like this? The answer is no. Thanks to the vibrant and remarkable remarks by by fellow Indians, I am happy that large number of people like me are also thinking but not acting. Time will come to Arise and Awake. Thank you very much Teacher.
    Yours sincerely,
    Dr.K.Prabhakar

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  47. Beautiful piece, Katju Sa'b!
    Yes, in the last 60 years or so we've been fooled around into believing in the pieces of paper. The educated class always thought it was as wise as the university degrees indicated. Huwa ye ki kaghaz par mera Bharat mahan aur zameen par pareshan!
    What was served to us from the top (the politically correct), we accepted that as really 'correct'. Not many people bothered about what actually was pragmatically correct. Or, those who did, chose to remain silent, thus, building and adding to the silent majority, and thus, contributing to total or near total national paradise of fools!
    And, fools as we've always been, we've voted in the same leaders (or, dealers?)
    At school, I was struck by this line: Our world is a fool's paradise. While still at school, I had added to this: And,those who don't realise | That it's a fool's paradise | Are greater (fools)!
    Later, I learnt, courtesy Shakespeare, that it is better to be a witty fool than to be a foolish wit.
    They say, everyone is a dammned fool for about five minutes a day. Wisdom lies in not crossing the limits. I think, I've had my five minutes!

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  48. A great article to show what India was and now what India is... We really have to change the way India is at the moment! These 2 people for some reason count themselves in the 90%. Nothing more to say really!

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  49. Great reply justice Katju.

    We are a team of people (www.freedomteam.in) who want to bring liberty to India. We want to become India of your dreams. But this path is a tough path and requires leaders who change the way India thinks. We are taking a systematic approach. We know India cannot be changed just by talking and so we are laying the platform for a future political platform based on liberty.

    You would be interested to know that we have prepared a detailed document on electoral reforms.
    http://freedomteam.in/blog/content/electoral-reforms-for-a-corruption-free-india

    It will be great if we can enlist you as on of our speakers.
    We have Swaminathan Aiyar, Gurcharan Das as part of our speaker panel.
    http://freedomteam.in/blog/fti-speakers-panel

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  50. Sir.

    I am a student of the MBA (Marketing) program offered by IMT,Ghaziabad.

    I would like to present my views in connection to a fact that you mentioned in your post-that most of us "modern" and "knowledgeable" people still look towards the heavens to guide our most important decisions.

    I would like to ask..is this really that unpardonable an offence? It is generally viewed as a source of strength.So if there is no harm being perpetuated to the society as a whole,the action should not pose an issue.

    Your comments Sir.

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    1. Dear Ankita,

      Good to know that you are well qualified and capable of analyzing matters. Regarding your strong faith advocacy, please go through this list: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Importance_of_religion_by_country You will realize that countries with low literacy rate and poverty have high religious affiliation. After your MBA, do you wish to go to European countries or Congo, which have highest faith baring citizens.

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  51. Tanya ji $ aditya ji..................
    यां आदमी पै जान को वारे है आदमी।
    और आदमी पै तेग को मारे है आदमी।
    पगड़ी भी आदमी की उतारे है आदमी।
    चिल्ला के आदमी को पुकारे है आदमी।
    और सुनके दौड़ता है सो है वह भी आदमी।।

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  52. Sir,

    I am unable to appreciate the consistency or rather inconsistency in your successive writings.The other day while going through The Hindu December 4th edition in the OP-ED where you presented your views on the media (the article was very informative and i do agree to most of the opinions presented there) you said "Everyone knows of the great role played by Voltaire, Rousseau, Thomas Paine, John Wilkes and Junius who fought against feudal oppression, and helped greatly in the transformation of feudal Europe to modern Europe." If this is what you believe that everyone(or let's dilute to most of us are aware with the above presented names) then your current opinion is in direct contradiction to this view.And if your present opinion is considered then the opinion presented before lacks any substance.
    So it would be highly appreciated if a little light is shed on this issue or lest it gives an impression that your opinions are molded to fit into the mold of your topic(which you wish to talk about).

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    1. Dear Vishal,

      Let me tell you where you missed the bus in pointing out inconsistency in Justice Katju's writing. 1) Ancient India, i.e. nearly 2000 years ago, was a world leader, based on scientific thinking and research. 2) Referring to Voltaire, Rousseau, et. al. was the time in late 18th century, by the time the dynamics had changed.

      My point is, have your premises accounted for, before making a critical remark. That shall make your earn more respect, not make you a pack of laughing stock.

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    2. Bravo!!!!!!!!! Dear Mr. Anonymous without any analysis on your part and making such irresponsible comments on your part first do your homework properly, go and read the OP-ED of 4th Dec 2012 the remark "Everyone knows of the great role played by Voltaire, Rousseau, Thomas Paine, John Wilkes and Junius who fought against feudal oppression, and helped greatly in the transformation of feudal Europe to modern Europe." is made for the present Indian and refers to the 18th century thinkers, so by any means if "Everyone" is well versed with such names then "90% of Indians" can't be fools.Please comprehend properly the context before making such irresponsible accusations ans save yourself from getting into "a pack of laughing stock."
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    3. Don't get worked up Vishal. Mr Anonymous represents the microcosm of the huge 90% chunk Justice Katju is talking of. Read his comments, he proves it.He is an indoctrinated jackass who refuses to question anything that has been spoon-fed to him in name of the oh-so-glorious past of India. Trust these people to live life like a vegetable.

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    4. @Sahir:

      Firstly, I am the last person, who will say India was a glorious nation. Just read how the trignometric term 'sine' got its name. What I wrote was based on Justice Katju's previous articles, in which he has said that India was more of a scientific society and later on became a society of ignorant people, based on religion, casteism etc.

      @Vishal:

      Trust me, I have read enough of Voltaire, Rousseau, and Paine, et al. Your problem is, you take sentences literally. You think 'everyone' has heard these names, really? Point is, Justice Katju is writing with an assumption that his readers have common sense, but he ignored, there are people like you.

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    5. And who said, knowing Voltaire, Rousseau et al makes people wise. I recently met a PhD student from India at a US University (where I teach), who wore 8 finger rings for attracting good luck. He will soon have a doctorate in a branch of Economics. So, even a person with PhD from a good university could be a fool. Take a chill pill.

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    6. Exactly I do not think that everyone has heard these names, I think you have comprehension problems please read and RE-READ until you get what the writer wants to convey. Now here you are also agreeing to my proposition that "Justice Katju is writing with an assumption that his readers have common sense" doesn't this contradicts his present opinion, of course until you believe that common sense is common to be possessed by all (but unfortunately this isn't the case),as common sense is not a virtue of "fool" dear Mr.Anonymous. And kindly tone down the flamboyancy to attract eyes, and write in a subtle and sensible way. Your writing doesn't reflect that you " have read enough of Voltaire, Rousseau, and Paine, et al." and exactly knowing Voltaire and all doesn't make people wise but off course one aware with likes of them can't be a fool also.You here present a befitting example to "who said, knowing Voltaire, Rousseau et al. makes people wise" I totally agree. Life doesn't come in the contrast of black or white their are shades of grey also, to adjust to your comprehension problems it doesn't have to be either wise or fool, there is a middle path also as said by Confucius "Only the wisest and stupidest of men never change", so most of us fall in between and change and adjust to the circumstances.

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    7. When you got comprehension problems then please don't arrive at conclusion based on you superb comprehension skills, "Your problem is, you take sentences literally." from where did you get to it I wonder. If you meant this "Everyone knows of the great role played by Voltaire, Rousseau, Thomas Paine, John Wilkes and Junius who fought against feudal oppression, and helped greatly in the transformation of feudal Europe to modern Europe.", then again here you yourself agree to "Justice Katju is writing with an assumption that his readers have common sense" and does "90% Indians are fools" reflect "that his readers have common sense"????
      Now hope it's simple enough even for a kid to comprehend.

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    8. And one thing that caught my eye is that "at a US University (where I teach)" so sir if you in some way have come across Bhawgwad Gita at any point of time in your life then you should be aware of the fact that Humility is the first of the twenty virtues that comprise wisdom so kindly tone down the rhetoric and early conclusions and act in a way so that we can be proud of our teachers. And could grasp something sensible from them.

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    9. And according to you definition of you fool just by wearing "8 finger rings for attracting good luck" a person is branded as a fool. Bravo!!!!!
      I have the privilege of having some very good and intellectual friends from some of the very best colleges of our country (at one such college I also had the privilege of studying)and believe me when I say some wore many such rings or neck pieces or bracelets but none of them could be branded as a fool(at least not by a sane thinking Individual).
      And that was not all even some of our professors also wore such accessories but none of us ever criticized them for this we only admired their intellect.If you really have "read enough of Voltaire, Rousseau, and Paine, et al." then you must be aware of the fact that most of these thinkers were proponents of liberty.And liberty is not only liberty of action but liberty of thought also(until it doesn't contradict with other person's liberty).

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    10. @Vishal:

      Let me write to you point by point.

      1) You have used to the phrase, 'tone-down'. That is the reason, I chose to remain anonymous. I am sure, if I disclose the institutions I studies in (both in India as well as the US)or I teach at, people will criticize me for displaying the hubris.

      2) The manner in which I referred to the above mentions authors and subject is because, I teach Developmental Economics and large part of my dissertation was based on Political Economy and Political Philosophy. Imagine you are an attorney or doctor by profession. Wouldn't familiar subjects bring in the instinctive reactions?

      3) You don't need to respect me for my profession. But thanks for pointing out about Gita. Would it be considered as a sign of arrogance if I told you that I've read Gita and have cited some of its principles in my work as well.

      4) Now, let's get to comprehending your points. So, help me understand two things. a) What inconsistency did you figure out in Justice Katju's writing? b) In my understanding, his writings are critical about certain aspects of our societal practices. How do you differ on this? c) You seem to suggest that fools don't have common sense, correct me if I am wrong.

      5) To elaborate, here's what I've experienced. I know of a student from India, who is very smart and works under a colleague of mine. This brilliant chap wears 8 rings on 8 fingers for good luck and avoids givings talks on Tuesday. To me, that chap is high on IQ and common sense, yet foolish. Did this example convey the point I've trying to make, for a while now?

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    11. Humility point was pointed because Of your unnecessary urge to brand anyone as a fool who begs to differ with you or Mr. Katju. So what I meant was sir that at least be humble in weighing the critics in the same scale as you supporters. If one isn't in the same bus with you itdoen't mean he has to be a fool as said by Friedrich Nietzsche "You have your way. I have my way. As for the right way, the correct way, and the only way, it does not exist.", so most of the times it's only a matter of interpretations when it comes to complex issues and we all have our viewpoints on such issues.

      "You don't need to respect me for my profession" sir I come from India where at a very early age we are taught “Guru govind dou khade, Kisako laagu paay |
      Balihaari guru aapane, Govind diyaa bataay ||” so it's natural for us to respect teachers.

      About inconsistency part, personally I am also a great admirer of Sir Katju's writings but when I see any thing that doesn't appeal to my rationality I can have a difference of opinion. So inconsistency was that in the 4th December edition of the Hindu which is available on this blog also (1st post of this month on Sir. Leveson's report on media) Katju sir(NOT ME) says that "Everyone knows of the great role played by Voltaire, Rousseau, Thomas Paine, John Wilkes and Junius who fought against feudal oppression, and helped greatly in the transformation of feudal Europe to modern Europe.", so if according to him "90% of Indians are fools" do you honestly believe that fools know of the roles played by such thinkers????? On the other hand only the fact that they are aware of them doesn't make them wise, but of-course they can't be called as fools there is a mid way also and it doesn't need to trickle down to the choice between wise and fool only.There are mediocre people also who don't fall in either of these categories.

      And sir as I believe common-sense is pretty uncommon, yes you can say so that I believe that fools don't have it.

      And sir this rings part, as you know India is a country of emotions and sentiments, so many people(as I have seen) wear such accessories just out of respect for the feeling or emotions of their elders, so only such accessories can't be taken as litmus test for being branded as a fool.

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  53. The year 1857 is chosen in the most unscientific manner!! Read the history again without any prejudice.

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    1. Please help with book name

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    2. You can read any except the one which Justice Katju has read! I have no idea which one he has read!

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    3. Oh genius 'Anonymous', you are the light of this world. 1857 has no importance. That's the year which is referred to as 'the year of first war of Indian independence'. My guess is, let alone reading from expert sources, you cannot read or write. Get a life!

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    4. 1857 does have importance. But is it that before 1857 there were no communal riots? If you go further into detail you will find that it was not in a sense first war of Indian Independence as certain Indian historians have labelled it. It was fought by few for there personal goals!

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  54. Have you read about 'zazia'? Try to find out who imposed it? Stop blaming the Britishers! Kindly go through Seervai's masterpiece, Partition of India: Legend and Realty. I respect your intention but then twisting the history is not the right way!

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    1. No Jackass.He, with all his wisdom, has not heard of jaziya [it's not zaziya by the way] and was waiting for you to highlight the same !
      You prove that there indeed is some chance of moving the figure of 90% by a few decimal points

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    2. Dear Sahir,

      I have only one objection about your reply. Don't use sarcastic tone. Idiots will confuse it be compliments and argue with you, "See, I was the one who taught Justice Katju what 'jaziya' was.

      My personal opinion is Justice Katju has been generous in stating that 90% Indians are idiots. I think it exceeds 95%.

      Cheers!

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    3. Dear Sahir & Co. I am not doubting his wisdom. I know that he knows all the facts but is misrepresenting them to prove his point. If jazia was there well before 1857 how can he say that there was no communalism before 1857?

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      Sorry for being harsh earlier.

      Why Jaziya existed, especially in Auranzeb's time is a very interesting subject. I strongly recommend you to read Sir Jadunath Sarkar's book, "History of Auranzeb". It gives a very clear account of this law, in a neutral way.

      In Islam, donating a portion of money was mandatory, which Muslims did religiously. In Hinduism, there was no mandatory charity. Of course, in current times, this logic looks like a fallacy, but in those days, the king made rules and made everyone follow. So, to strike a balance, Auranzeb created this concept of jaziya. Also do remember, be it any king, their aim was not about religion, but having an organized society, which would make it easy to govern. Religion was just an excuse, be it a Hindu King, Muslim King, Sikh King, and even Emperor Ashoka, who later lived like a monk.

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    5. So if today the hindu majority makes some law for muslims that will be ok!! Touch muslim personal law and you will get the answer. Jaziya was just a symbolic example. Why were hindu temples razed during the muslim rule? Was that not a communal act?

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  55. If English is not a scientific language then what is your opinion on Urdu?

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    1. Sweet as a purest of honey.

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    2. But then as per Justice Katju's scientific test it is not a scientific language.

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  56. Well wrote sir! It is a great honour to read such passages from a jurist, which these days is seldom. I see you as a highly rational as well as scientific person. As a Dalit activist, I have no issues in turning off the pot of religion in all formats in this nation. I fully agree to what you said in your talk. Yes! 990% (not all) of India are unscientific and irrational. Goldy M George

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  57. Sir, truly said...I sometimes fail to convince my own family regarding the issue of Astrology and temples and stuff...But yeah it feels great that there are people who are still fighting for such cause.

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  58. Sir, I am not a big fan of yours, still I agree with the views presented above. We are on the path to collapse and in-spite of suing everyone who is saying the truth, we should work on improving the situation. Communalism, Honour Killing, Dowry, these are the issues we should work on, thats the reality of this country and the people who are going against this are the people who dont want to face the truth.

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  59. What is your opinion about those who are appreciating your views without verifying the facts? They believe that they are the lucky 10%.

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  60. Wow!

    Dear Katju Saheb,

    Hats off to you. I am seeing a man who calls a spade a spade, which is non-existent in Indian public life. You took paid news head on, and created awareness.

    Now you have the courage to call Indian idiots openly, and to stand by what you said.

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  61. Absolutely correct in pointing out the falicies in today's India... Unfortunately it is some of us who take pride in these evils and so called "traditions" where individuals are belittled ever so often...
    Need more like minded folks for a better India... Jai Hind...

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  62. Justice Katju is doing, what our politicians should be doing. Educate Aam Aadmi to rise above petty thinking. He is the need of the hour.

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  63. Justice Katju for President in 2016!

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    1. Why not? At last a man at the helm, who will provide leadership!

      Justice Katju for President !!!

      People take this to social media. Let people discuss.

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    2. Justice Katju for the president !

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    3. This is a part of the problem he is trying to address. Irony!

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  64. Dear Katju sir,

    I'm a fan of yours and you're one of my role models. While I wholeheartedly support your just and bold views, I'm also of the opinion that you've to appreciate those students who proved to be bold and courageous to make use of their democratic right enough to send a legal notice against you notwithstanding the fact that you're a former judge of the Supreme Court and there's a huge difference between their knowledge and your great legal expertise. Yes, you've to be proud that we've such brave students who are capable of using their rights and really, I think, it's the fulfillment of one of your dreams about the future India -- aware citizens who are bold enough to question the rulers.

    You've done great by responding to them very positively and in a democratic manner with a great understanding of their emotions. We expect that this would suffice for them to grow themselves to the level of thought you expect.


    With regards,
    MIJ Sadique.

    mijsadique at gmail dot com

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  65. वैसे सोचती हूँ मैं की यदि हम में से ज्यादातर मूर्ख ना होते तो क्या सोनिया राज कर पातीं हिन्दुस्तान पर ? क्या FDI के माध्यम से दुबारा गुलाम बनने के लिए तैयार हो जाता भारत? आरक्षण और वोट-बैंक की सस्ती TACTICS के द्वारा बहुसंख्यकों को मूर्ख बना सकता था भला कोई ? काटजू साहब , भारत में 90 नहीं 95 प्रतिशत मूर्ख हैं और ये बात 100 प्रतिशत सत्य है !

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    1. Madame. Shukr hai yahan aap jaise aqlmand logon ki bhi kami hai. Varna bharat desh ke hazaron tukde kar ke aap apne kisi bahu-sankhyak mohalle ki mukhiya bani baithi hoti.

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    2. प्रिय वत्स साहिर , तुम इतने उत्तेजित क्यों हो ? रक्तचाप बढ़ जाएगा ! Anxiety के रोगी बन जाओगे , अतः शान्ति धारण करो ! मांस - मदिरा का सेवन कम किया करो ताकि तुम लोगों की क्रोधाग्नि शांत रह सके बालक ! सत्य सुनकर तुम्हें इस प्रकार से तिलमिलाना नहीं चाहिए वत्स ! तुमने मुझे अकलमंद कहा इसके लिए आभार , लेकिन तुम अकाल से मंद न बनो इसके लिए तुम लोग गो-हत्या मत किया करो बल्कि गो-दुग्ध का सेवन किया करो जिससे तुम लोगों के अन्दर की हिंसा शांत हो सकेगी ! -- जय हिन्द ! वन्दे मातरम् !

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    3. Ah..Ms Zeal , either you are an imbecile or one of the bigoted fanatics Justice Katju is referring to. Who carry prejudices against people based on religion and caste. All this rant of yours of "tum log" is directed against Sahir just because of his name, isn't it ?
      Hence proved that you indeed are an enthusiastic member of THE 90% BRIGADE. :D
      By the way, hope you understand english, at least.

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    4. Hey why what this tum log speech all about.
      Who is tum-log ?
      Do you know him personally or is it just your hatred for a community that is coming out as you seething comment
      In fact here Sahir sounds more level headed than the hate filled comment of Zeal.
      Keep it up Sahir we need unity in this country not Hate-mongers like Zeal.

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    5. @ Ramesh... You seem to be a feeble minded imbecile who needs to be educated properly . By the way, you idiocy made me laugh. If you are able to understand My Hindi , then I can also understand your crap written in English. Morons like you are categorized and very well classified as 90 and 10 percent. You certainly belong to the category of 90 percent impotent and moronic lot.

      और हे महामूर्ख रमेश, हिंदी भाषा की इज्ज़त करना सीखो ! अंग्रेज की औलाद बनकर मुझसे तो इज्ज़त की उम्मीद मत करना ! और हाँ मुस्लिम तुष्टिकरण (muslim appeasement) की उम्मीद मुझसे मत करना ! जाओ तलवे चाटो आतंकवादी मुसलमानों के ! तुम्हारे जैसे लोग ही अजमल कसाब और अफज़ल गुरुओं को शरण देते हैं और हिन्दुओं के साथ घात करते हैं !

      By the way you are suffering from an incurable disease called- 'Pseudo-secularism'.

      Vande Matram !

      Divya Srivastava
      [ZEAL]

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  66. I am fully agree with the thoughts of former justice. You have rightly pointed out various important believes of Indian society. unfortunately whatever you have mentioned in your articles are bitter truth of indian society. Apart from this I really feel very sad that you need to explain again & again that how you have reached to arithmetic conclusion of 90%. I don't understand that inst-id in looking into the important message behind your writings, people are more concerned about this 90% figure.

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  67. न्याय मूर्ति काटजू साहब,
    आप दिल की और दिल से कहते है. इसीलिये आपकी बेलाग टिप्पणियों को सभी दिल से पसंद भी करतें है. इसी तरह माननीय भारत के लोकतन्त्र के अन्तस्‌ को खोलिये!.

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  68. लेकिन हम तान्या और आदित्य की तहे दिल से प्रशंसा भी करते हैं , जिन्होंने ये प्रश्न उपस्थित किया ! अगर आज की युवा पीढ़ी प्रश्न ही नहीं करेगी तो बुज़ुर्ग अनुभवी जन , गुरु और शिक्षक उन शंकाओं का समाधान कैसे करेंगे ? आदित्य और तान्या को मेरा आशीर्वाद की वे ऐसे ही निर्भय और साहसी बनें और सरकार से भी प्रश्न करें की रिटेल में FDI क्यों ला रही है ? क्यों ईस्ट इण्डिया कंपनी की तरह वॉलमार्ट लाकर हमें दुबारा गुलाम क्यों बना रही है ? क्या हम स्वेदेशी संसाधनों को विकसित नहीं कर सकते ? अपनी कमतरी को छुपाने के लिए विदेशी किराना की बैसाखी इस्तेमाल कर रही है सरकार? Shame on us and shame on our govt as well.

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  69. Dear Mr.Katju, These 2 young siblings are 2 idiots among 90%. Please do not waste your valuable time by replying to them.

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  70. Dear Mr.Katju, These 2 young siblings are 2 idiots among 90%. Please do not waste your valuable time by replying to them.

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  71. Sir, i agree with more than 95% of your above mentioned points.

    I totally understand what really you mean when you talk about foolishness of Indians.

    Sir, Don't you think it would have a better effect instead of first telling Indians foolish & then appreciating them afterwards.

    The reason why i am thinking in this way is that Young generation as you rightly mentioned in article is more involved with film stars & cricketers, their self esteem is already very low. They think nothing can be changed in this ailing country. They only thinks that global success of bollywood films is the sole criterion of India success .

    I think guidance & direction and great writing like above is needed at first place not the statement that hit them on their esteem.

    your's great admirer
    Ronak vijayvergia

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  72. Whats your take on the Judges who like biblical Pontus Pilot who do not make or pass a judgement and thus keep litigation pending or postponed indefinitely or until they are transferred elsewhere? So many million cases pending...Justice delayed is Justice denied!! As long as this trend prevails India will tend to continue to be curropt....

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  73. Sir,
    you are 100% correct, and its very conspicuous in the latest global hunger list issued by IFPRI{international Food Policy Research Institute), in which india stands at 105 among 120 countries.Eeven behind pakistan,Nepal, Sudan and many african countries. India's more than 80% population live on less than $1.25 per day. if 90% indian are not fool what is the reason that more than 80% people are living in penury???

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  74. The problem is that we Indians can't stand to be critiqued. We are quick to point our finger at corrupt politicians, bad police officers, lawyers, doctors, teachers etc but when someone points a finger back at us and points our flaws, we dislike it. We need a wake up calls and Justice Katju doing just that.

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  75. I Salute you, Justice Katju for your courageous voice. You are very right, 90% of Indian are idiots, who can easily be misled by mischievous elements in the religion, caste and politics.

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  76. सचिव बैद गुर तीनि जौं प्रिय बोलहिं भय आस।
    राज, धर्म, तन तीनि कर होइ बेगिहीं नास।।

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    1. Someone explain this to me please

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    2. Context:
      Its a famous doha/passage from the sundar-kand of the Ramcharitmanas.
      Here, just when the disastrous battle of Lanka is looming, Vibhishana tries to counsel Ravan against going on with the hostility. He speaks out some harsh truths. At this Ravan angrily kicks him and blames him of wishing ill of Lanka. At this Vibhishana speaks these words.
      सचिव= Councillor/ Minister/ Secretary,बैद= (or vaidya, in Hindi) Doctor,गुर= Guru
      तीनि जौं प्रिय बोलहिं= If these three speak not the harsh truth
      भय,आस= for fear or in expectation of goodies
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      राज= Kingdom/Nation,धर्म= Duty/Knowledge,तन= Body/Health
      तीनि कर होइ बेगिहीं नास= These three stand poised to get destroyed sooner than later !





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    3. Great explanation dear Nilanjana. Thanks.

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  77. Well reiterated Mr. Katju.

    According to your interpretation, there are still 120 million people of India are not fools. These are the people who don’t go to school, the poor kids who works as laborers.

    I would rather consider 99.9% of Indian adults (of total 800 million) can be taken for a ride on that caste, religion or other misconceptions. This still leaves 8 lac adults as not fools, which is still a big number, and am not able to believe that they exists yet.

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  78. Justice Katju is right. Those of you who do not agree with me (im assuming 90%) are fools.
    If i tell you i can double your money in 1 year, 90% of you will come with your hard earned money to get it doubled and get fooled in the process.
    If i tell you that something will bad would happen to you within 48 hours unless you pay me thousands of rupees for some special prayers 90% of you would pay me that money within 24 hours
    India is a FOOLS PARADISE. YOU FEAR EVERYTHING.

    No wonder 'SAFE' cricket is our favourite and only games

    Are your sentiments hurt by my comments? Then go sue me or just grow up, think and be wise. Have the guts to say what is right. Dont just blindly follow stupid politicians

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    1. I totally endorse your views (basically Justice Katju's views). And on the front of superstition. I met a PhD student in the US (from India), who wears 8 rings to attract good luck. What do you call such a person, a qualified fool.

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    2. Fools and superstitious people are different in my humble opinion !

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  79. The irony is that the law student who sued Justice Katju for his '90% Indians are idiots' remark has ended up proving him right :-)

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    1. I bet some adults with ulterior motives are also involved. Anyway, people have worked hard to prove Justice Katju right.

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  80. The irony is that the law student who sued Justice Katju for his '90% Indians are idiots' remark has ended up proving him right :-)

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  81. There are so many things wrong with this article. Let me deal with just the poor understanding of history.
    India was never at the forefront of science at any point of time. Look at all the important pre-1600 inventions(before those big bad Britishers came here) like agriculture(any major crop consumed today), domestication of animals, fire, the wheel, alphabet, paper, printing press, gunpowder, metal working. Almost none of these had any thing to do with our modern geographical India.
    English and Sanskrit belong to the same language family for starters, to point out such meaningless differences between them seems petty at best. Nor did Sanskrit originate anywhere in geographical India. Even if it was the 'better' language the key question is why did so few people understand how to read and write when Sanskrit was the dominant language as compared to when English is/was the dominant language.
    To state that there was no enmity between Hindus and Muslims before 1857 is laughable. Of the top of my head during Timur's invasion of India over 100000 were killed primarily because of their religion (http://www.cristoraul.com/ENGLISH/readinghall/UniversalHistory/INDIA/Cambridge/III/7/7-Timur.html)
    The later Mughal rulers were no strangers to imposing their version of Islam on the rest of the population.
    Most of the 1857 mutiny consisted of Indians fighting each other, not Hindus and Muslims fighting together against the British.

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    1. A very powerful attempt at proving yourself as a member of the 90% tribe.:

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    2. Exactly, See past the minor details(If at all they are actually false as you say) and into the bigger picture! The man is actually trying to make the country a better place!

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    3. I agree sanskrit language per se does not call for so many honours. Language is a means of communication. Why attach so much of importance to any language. Hindi is much better. But if the whole world prefers english then let it be. I read sanskrit upto 8th standard. But I never liked it. Give a child both the languages and ask him to choose. Why we get into the habit of forcing innocent children.

      None of the children who go to english schools can count upto 100 in Hindi. Why - is it because hindi or sanakrit is more scientific.
      To use the words of Katju - I would say it is plain bull shit.
      Yes this legal notice was not called for. But it did bring to fore so many people with diverse feelings and opinions. That is a great thing. Let people freely communicate in whatever language they want.

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  82. sir,
    main problem is of population.if this problem can be solved then every evil can be depreciated.
    very thanks for your kind words once again

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    1. This was a very clever point. I mean, Indians never talk about the population explosion. But that's one of our biggest problems, not corruption.

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    2. Infact, I think that population was never a problem. More working hands always contributes towards the society. Moreover, as it is the case of India, we have a large number of working population unlike many other countries.

      However, improper management of population is surely a problem which is also the case with our country. Corruption contributes to a major chunk for this problem. By the use of proper planning, transportation, communication, roads, manufacturing units etc, we can remove all the problems of pollution, traffic etc can be removed. Moreover, by the proper management of the population by their elective representative can further solves many problems. Hence, in my opinion, it is not the right way to say that the main problem is population.

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  83. I absolutely agree on every single point justice Katju makes, its time we come out of our stupid superstitious beliefs and learn to respect a fellow human being for what he/she is and not by his cast or creed.
    also We can understand that the intentions of Justice Katju were absolutely pure and in the right place just by the fact that he took so much of effort and energy to educate a 11th standard kid and his sister on their ignorance. Man of his stature could have just ignored it, whereas he didn't. We should admire that.

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  84. Dear Katju,
    With great regards to your jurisprudence you acquired, I like to seek one clarification..
    When you said that, courts have a large number of dowry death cases to my mind it implies three things
    1. In all dowry death cases, accused are convicted i.e women are murdered in a barbaric manner by their in laws for not getting dowry.
    2. All cases u/s 302B, there is 100% conviction rate.
    3. NCRB of MHA says that only 23-27 % conviction rate for dowry death is wrong?
    Could you please enlighten us the source of the information you have projected that dowry deaths are common?
    As any common man would believe your opinion and observation of person like you who is a former Judge of Supreme Court would never question you on this. But as I am not a person who simply believe even GOD I would like to insist you to enlighten us with appropriate authority of 100% conviction rate of 304 B cases in Indian Courts.
    The reason why I am asking because media is projecting that Indian Law enforcement agencies are not competent enough to prosecute successfully to prove 304B cases
    According to a written reply in country's upper house of parliament, Krishna Tirath, women and child minister, said conviction rates for dowry-related murders over the past five years were relatively unchanged with 23.3 percent in 2010 compared to 27.3 percent in 2006.(Source: http://in.reuters.com/article/2011/12/08/dowry-murders-in-india-result-in-few-con-idINDEE7B70JG20111208)
    Since you are the Chairman of Press Council of India it's your obligation and responsibility to clarify who is misguiding the public at large.
    1. NCW
    2. Media
    3. NCRB of Ministry of Home Affaires
    4. Justice Markandey Katju the Chairman, Press Council of India

    -With Regards (only if you respond)
    Rukma Chary
    facebook.com/rukmachary

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    1. Mr. Katju is saying bride-burning is a reality and all cases that go to the court are genuine, none of them false. He forgets that legal terrorism of 498A is engulfing our society and stifling young careers. India will pay the price for educated ignorants.

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  85. Respected Justice Katju,

    I seriously object to the point that Dowry Death is common in India. I believe it is mis-leading and we should have more important info like child malnutrition (47%), corruption (above 50% )and others - prominently discussed.

    Let us go by our Govt. of India's data. As per Census India - population 1.21 billion. Number of women around 48% of it, around 580 million. Married women around 30% (approx) of that - 175 million.

    As per National Crime Records Bureu, 2011:
    Number of 304B cases - 35805 and 35.7% is conviction rate (hence, over 64% are falsely charged!). Considering the conviction rate, 12782 will be number.

    So number of women due to dowry deaths = 0.007%. How is that a common problem Sir? In what way it is more common than corruption, malnutrition, inflation and price rise?

    How about 498A. Over 80% results in acquittal only by trial courts. The number of much higher if I go up the ladder, the SC - above 90% in acquittal. Domestic Violence Act - same number.

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    If they are considered to common, how about men suicidal due to stressed marriages. There is a not single law for men - harassed by the corrupt system and in laws. Close to 60,000 married men commit suicide a year. Again by Govt. Of India data. There are fathers (thousands of them) who are running court after court to see their own children with tearful eyes. There has been thousands of children who do not know at all even their father due to custody laws.

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    In effect I believe you are hoodwinking (sorry for the strong words) the real issues of this great nation. But, it is time to tell the facts with figures.

    1. Corruption.

    As per TI data, we are one of the most corrupt nations on earth. Now who are the corrupt?

    1. Political Parties (82%)

    2. Police (75%)

    3. Executive (58%)

    4. Judiciary (41%)

    For more detailed data - https://thewarriorforjustice.wordpress.com/2012/12/06/are-we-nation-for-the-corrupt-by-the-corrupt-and-of-the-corrupt/

    What a common man can good when the four pillars of democracy so neck deep in corruption?

    Why blame the common man and say that 90% are fools, Sir?

    2. No Bar for MPs or MLAs in Parliament.

    If you want to go 6th standard, you have to clear 5th standard. If you want to be graduate, you have clear 10+2 - so told millions of law abiding parents to their children.

    Now look at our MPs and MLAs bar. No proper bar at all for them to go there. No political party want to bring any proper bar at all.

    No wonder criminals, crooks, cheats are running this country.

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    Infrastructure, Literacy, Price Rise, Black Money, Malnutrition, Healthcare all linked to the top two - corruption and corrupt top leaders of this country, who make dividing laws.

    Dowry was not a practice before as well - It is creation of the British Raj. Book "Dowry Murder: The Imperial Origins of a Cultural Crime" - is a highly acclaimed book on it and clears a lot of myths being run pseudo feminists in this country.

    Why say common man is a fool or an idiot Sir? He or she knows and deeply knows, but the common man is helpless - because people who can do something hoodwink, put their daughter or son out of India in the US or UK and want to grow their power in India.

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    In Fact, The Common Man is Not a Fool or Idiot. Common Indians Are Simple People and Have Faith in This Country and Believe that Democracy is the Only Way Which Can Help Them. And How They Have Been Taken For A Ride for Over 65 Years By All the Main Pillars of Foundations of The System!

    The Motto With People In Power Has Been (the other 10% mostly) - Give Us Power and We Will Abuse - with laws, rules, regulations only for the Common Man. And That Has Been And Is The Curse! British Raj gone and British Raj 2.0 is in.

    Thank you,
    The Warrior For Justice
    https://thewarriorforjustice.wordpress.com/

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  86. Respected Justice Katju,

    Why waste your time answering these inane people. If they'd only cared to peruse the newspapers, they'd know the truth for themselves.

    Or like my late father would've said, "chor ki daadi mein tinka". If you know, you are wrong, you find everything pointing an accusatory finger towards you.

    These lads need to make better use of their time. And if social welfare is such a big thing for them, relocate to a rural area and help the locals rid themselves of some of the ills.

    Get a life dudes..... and save some newsprint.


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  87. My heart resonates with everything expressed in this gracious and well-written article.

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  88. I am one of those 90% of Asian Indians and I have no shame in admitting that I am an idiot, http://clevelanddesis.blogspot.com/2012/12/you-and-i-are-idiots-indian-supreme.html

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  89. Justice Katju, you state that "6. A large section of the media, taking advantage of the backwardness of a large section of our people, dishes out lives of filmstars, cricket, etc as if these are the real issues before the people, when the real issues are socio-economic:"

    I agree. Please check out my post titled "Bollywood movies are made for the masses by asses" http://clevelanddesis.blogspot.com/2011/12/bollywood-hindi-movies-are-made-by.html

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  90. Respected Sir,

    Every citizen has a great love for his Country, his motherland, his home. Your love, care and affection for the country is no doubt well known by us all.Your justice has always been remarkable in the Indian History. And so it was this time.

    Firstly I would like to appreciate the courage of two youngsters who atleast tried to question the authority, which brought the truth in front of us all.

    As you truly said in the blog ,there is no doubt that India has been a nation of great knowledge ,wealth, and once a prosper country. But at this current pace of ignorance , superstition , casteism , illiteracy, misleading democracy , we are leading our country nowhere. On the other hand with all this mental incapabilities, the prosper strata is runnig a marathon of modifying to other cultures, for instance westernization. By this I dont mean west's culture drawbacks, I just want to draw attention towards the greatness of Indian culture too and above the the culture of humanity, truth ,love and forbidance . Many ignorant people( which I also do beleive as 90% and call as Rule of 90's) without proper acquinatance to the right thing , are misguiding our society.Our cuntry used to be a country of scholars , a contry of truth is on wrong path.Today the issues among our country should be illiteracy, poverty, dowry, maternal and child health issues, not cricket and entertainment. They do are needed but after fullfillment of the basic needs of citizens which are still to be met. At this modern stage , more than two third of our country is suffering only because of poverty , hunger, improper guidance ,illiteracy, despite of any religion ,any caste(general, backwards, or dalits),any social strata.

    Concluding by thanking you for sharing with us such a great depth of your knowledge and acquintance by the country's current status which is no doubt still far from the destiny of Love, Happiness , Truth, Literacy, Democracy in the right terms.

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  91. It all depends on the perspective. In Justice Katju's perspective 90% of indians are fool, which is ok as it is his perspective. However, it may be possible that for many people following casteism, communalism, superstitions etc is the better way to live the life. The important thing is the everyone should understand and take care of other's feeling. You may disagree but be respectful towards your disagreement. Following/loving your caste/rituals etc never blocks your progress. Although, I am an atheist, this is my perspective !

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    1. Very true Paresh.. There is definately no harm either being an atheist/theist. This all depends on anyone's personal prospective, and both are good. Both teaches you the same lesson of humanity and respect for the life this nature has gifted as.

      No doudt following these cultures, rituals ,believes makes us feel connected to our grounds . However, using them as a hurdle for pulling themselves and others by discouraging the new thoughts, lifestyles, and beleives makes one coward and do hinder the growth. Nevertheless just being modernized is not all we need, our hold on the traditonal ground is for sure needed to fly high in the sky and still smell the fragrance of this mother EARTH.

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  92. Dear Katju,

    I agree with your point that u haven't defamed them in particular.

    1. 70% of Indian population is rural and most of the things u mentioned apply mostly to rural population of India. The flaw in your analysis is that you are comparing rural India with urban west.

    2. All the problems related to crime u mentioned are in every country. Well if u don't agree, show me one country without any form of crime? I don't think problems of crime are pulling India back from developing.

    3. I am born and brought up in India and now i am working outside India, i can clearly see people of India are more civilized and has better human values than rest of the world(i have been to few countries around). The only difference i see between other countries and India is the big buildings, nice cars, big roads, expensive branded clothing and people follow rules(most of the times) for sake of mankind.

    4. Astrology is one of the ancient sciences in India, i wonder how u praised certain aspects of ancient India and not astrology!!. I do agree with u on the point u mentioned about politicians and superstitions but there is true astrology in India as well(which could be beyond your mental understanding/experiences which caused your belief system).

    5. Deep rooted selfishness, over proudness about self, improper political rule, bad economic policies, closed mind to accept new things, Black money, not paying income tax and huge population are major issues in our country which was not address and which is pulling us back from development.

    6. Culture is not pulling us back, its people`s selfish thinking which is pulling us back and thus it is utter fail of democracy. There are differences between East and west in thinking and thus lead to differences in business models. There are numerous ways India can be globalized without changing our cultures and traditions. If u want a start, i suggest viewing "BUSINESS SUTRA: CNBC" an interview of devdutt patnayak.

    7. I should disagree with your point"though there are also brilliant people like the Indian scientists and engineers in Silicon Valley". who ever is there is there outside India using resources of some other countries.. not inside India anymore.

    Well can u name me any company which is an IT giant form India? Any well known Indian software?(not the consulting ones please) something Innovative like yahoo, google, microsoft, cisco, citrix, vmware, IBM?
    THERE IS NO PROPER IT ENTREPRENEUR from INDIA.

    India is comparable to world in one thing that is space research(launching satellites specifically and that too stands 7 in world). Other than that, most of the research in India is OUTDATED (30-50 yrs backward). TRUST me i know the facts(i did my Btech and Mtech from INDIA`s the most prestigious institute of technology). You should see how many patents we have in science and technology, then you will come to a conclusion that
    "INDIA IS WORSE IN SCIENCE AND TECHNOLOGY AS WELL"

    8. Coming to industrialization, there is industrialization in India but managed by the "MAJOR FIVE" and thus scale is very less compared to other countries which have many many competitors.

    All the above problems in India comes from the psychological feeling of Indian people which makes them think they are superior to all others in all ways.

    Well everyone is a fool in some way or other, we all do foolish things, haven't u ever? we are all fools.. whats the big deal?

    regards
    ss

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  93. Dear Tanaya and Aditya,
    When you discriminate against some one based on religion, caste and race you are a fool. When you go on a rampage based on a political leaders instigation while they sit safely at home you are a fool. When you let yourself be swayed by politicians because it feeds your ego you are a fool. When you give in to corruption you are a fool. When you refuse to raise your voice against atrocities you are a fool. And the list goes on and on, the fact is most Indians are guilty of this and that makes them fools! Have you raised your voices before against real issues facing the country? I'm not sure you have, but you chose an issue that hurts your ego and nothing else and makes no difference to anyone's life. Guess what that makes you?

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  94. I agree with justice katju and his statement was in no way defamatory. how else do we justify rampant corruption and caste system in India. we stil have honour killings, communal rights and what not. the predominant view point in case of kolkata- park street rape case was that the girl was coming out of a pub late in night and asked for lift, hence it was justified that she got raped-- aren't we fools to still nurture this mind set.

    aishaahmedsharfi@gmail.com

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  95. आदित्य और तान्या तो अभी वयस्क भी नहीं हुए हैं , उनकी बातों का क्या इतना तूल देना, लेकिन साहिर जैसों के मन में घर किये हुए अनेक भ्रमों को दूर करना अति आवश्यक है!

    वे, जो धर्म के नाम ऊँट और गाय हलाल करके जन्नत पाते हैं।
    वे, जो स्वाभिमान की बलि चढ़ाकर राजनैतिक पार्टियों का वोट-बैंक बनते हैं।
    वे, जो रहते तो भारत में हैं, लेकिन वन्दे मातरम् कहने से बहुत परहेज़ करते हैं।
    वे , जो अल्पसंख्यक बनकर हिन्दुओं का अधिकार मारकर धर्म-आधारित आरक्षण लेते हैं वे अत्यंक शर्मनाक हैं !
    आरक्षण काबिलियत पर मिलना चाहिए ! इनका धर्म देखकर नहीं !

    लेकिन नहीं पाकिस्तान में तो हिन्दुओं को मारा जाता है , प्रताड़ित किया जाता है क्योंकि वहां fools और idiots नहीं रहते ! मूर्खों की जमात तो भारत में ही है जो मोहम्मद अली जिन्नाह की औलादों को आरक्षण देकर पाल पोस रही है! मुस्लिम तुष्टिकरण ने ही बर्बाद किया है इस देश को और यही गन्दी राजनीति हमें दुबारा नरक में धकेल रही है !

    Stop Muslim appeasement !

    Vande Matram !

    Divya Srivastava
    ZEAL

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    1. Seems like you have missed the zest of the article. It was meant to categorise people like you -who are fooled by hate politics of some people and do not have any scholarly or analytical way of thinking- in the 90%

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    2. @-Lisa -- आपको मेरी हिंदी भाषा में लिखी टिपण्णी समझ आ गयी , यही बहुत है , वरना तो 90 % हिन्दुस्तानी हिंदी बोलने और लिखने में शर्मिंदगी महसूस करते हैं और अंग्रेजों की भाषा में लिखने और बोलने में ही स्वयं को प्रबुद्ध नागरिक समझते हैं !

      And yes Lisa , You definitely belong to the category of 90 %.... lolz...Keep smiling otherwise you will start suffering from INSOMNIA.

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  96. Mr Katju, While I'm in agreement with most of your points,I happen to come under your 90% fools category because I believe in astrology.Are you saying that if the western scientists do not approve or are ignorant of certain things, these beliefs become humbugs? In that sense 1.Is believing in God a humbug? 2. Is belief in after life a humbug? 3. Is belief in the scriptures or religion a humbug? Many of these so called humbugs were written by the very rishis who were part of the vibrant ancient India well versed with science and math 4. In this case will all those people become fools?

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  97. @ Arpan - Who cares for this idiotic and moronic act 66-A ? We all are free to opine . None on earth can take away our freedom of expression !-- Vande Matram !

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  98. This is one of the best letter I have seen ,sir.Definitely we need to be educated about our own heritage to enable us to have self confidence and also to progress by sheer hard work and commitment to our nation and also to contribute to building an honest society.Regarding honesty and corruption free society also a road map is required.Who will do it? I think surely the answer is that the society or at least most people will have to do it.But someone has to lead the movement .After Anna Ji brought the issue at centrestage there was a ray of hope.Later the movement got astray.still there is hope since most people are affected and lessthatn thosre who are affected are beneficiaries.Unfortunately the vested interest wont allow the desease fully eradicated for obvious reasons.Sir,people like you and others have to lead and build a society which will totally shun corrupt and corruption.Today one good thing is that the youth and women are a big component our population .They are mostly corruptionfree at this point of time.They can be a big force against the corrup and corruption.if they can be organised we will be able to counter this menace.

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  99. Sir the answer to all our problems lies with the system of governance. Please read the following blog to have a better developed India.-->http://betterthandemocracy.wordpress.com/

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  100. Respected Justice Katju,

    One point that really caught my eye is your opinion on Dowry Deaths.

    As far as I can see, Section 304B and 498A have consistently managed to be most misused laws with the lowest conviction rates (2% and 34% respectively).

    Request your opinion as a legal expert on the ONLY assumed law 304B which reads that "death within 7 years of marriage would be considered Dowry Death". Result, Husband and Inlaws are put behind bars (non-bailable) as they dont get bail easily.

    304B includes suicides committed by married women which as per NCRB is about 34000 per year (2011 report) while Husband suicides are about 62000 per year (2011 report) which means Husband suicides are double to that of women.

    A suicide of woman is ALWAYS assumed to be because of in-laws/husband torture while a suicide of man is ALWAYS assumed to be because of financial issues. WHY? No one has an answer even when NCRB puts Family issues as the biggest reason for Husband suicides.

    Even with all social assumptions being assumed correct, please tell us that as citizens why dont we have a right to have Gender Neutral Laws. Is having gender neutral laws unconstitutional?

    I read Article 15 of the constitution again and again and it clearly says no bias based no gender but we do have gender biased CrPC and IPC. Why? If the answer if 15(3), I would request your kind notice on the fact that 15(3) mentions making provisions (like giving relaxation in income tax) and DOES not allow making new Laws.

    Please let me know if I am wrong as a citizen?

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    1. You are right, but that does not mean that Justice Katju is wrong. I also know men who are suffering because of this strict law against dowry as its widely misused, but considering there are several real cases against women out here in india, we need this strict law. (e.g. watch satyamave jayate dowry episode).

      There are NGOs working towards upliftement of married and unhappy men ( i know one guy who works for that NGO) and they regularly meet Law Minister to give support to men in certain cases.

      In my opinion, we need a transperent police/investigation agency rather than a new law. if police can investigate properly and transparently then i beleive we will see some significant improvement.

      Everybody is welcome to add their opinion.

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    2. Do you have any idea what 498A is or 304B is? Any idea what jail means for a sick father, pregnant sister, aged mother, 3 year old children...on false cases... Do you know how lakhs of lives get ruined by this false cases by a mere complaint? Do you know there is no penalty even if you file a false case on 498A?

      Satyamev Jayate is a hogwash by one person, whose records on domestic violence are these:

      1. Leave the wife of 16 years to marry someone (with whom he had an alleged affair while creating a film)

      2. At two alleged love children, out of wedlock, with two women from different countries.

      3. Custody battle with his own father for his brother Faizal Khan

      Do you consider them domestic violence or not? Did he show it? He propagated half truths, which are equal to lies.

      Not to mention and say the same khan was calling shahrukh khan as his dog, steal the rights of 3idiots movie from Chetan Bhagat's book and fight publicly on stage, promote coca cola and share stage with another who opposes coca cola tooth & nail and gives country dividing speeches and on and on...

      Open your eyes young man...see the pseudos...

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  101. Dear Sir

    You have justified your words. I knew that you are a knowledgeable person and whatever you said about 90% Indian population is undoubtedly correct.If someone don't agrees than he/she is a real foolish who is unable to open his/her eyes by seeing the current situation. Current situation is far more critical than before.
    Also due to lack of education and awareness, its getting worse day by day. Your words are eye opener.

    Regards

    Pramod Kumar

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  102. We want you to become our next Prime Minister !

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  103. Hello Sir, your intentions are perfect, I agree.
    But who told you that astrology is superstition?
    Have you studied it enough to comment on it?
    Have you practiced it enough?
    Have you heard practicing astrologists predicting results with great accuracy?
    Do you think it is a laboratory science like Chemistry?

    I feel that you are also among the highly scientific guys who are very happy learning the constants as proposed by english scientists who are in fact not capable to continue their studies beyond a limit (Gravitational Constant, Plank's constant and so many other physical and chemical constants etc are coined just by a few 100 or thousand observations in the laboratory and the associated positive results.

    But when the old rushis say that a particular planet has a Karakatwa, you are hesitant to understand it is nothing but another proposed constant, just for the sake of understanding. That is enough, it gives results and there are 1000s getting solace in it.

    Don't you know that rushis have sensed and noted an all pervading vibration Ohm in the universe? Don't you feel there is a striking sync with the Cosmic Background radiation proposed by ultra modern sciences?

    I am in no way trying to tell that your intentions are wrong. Nor am I favoring any communalism or casteism based on birth. Nor Iam I preaching the "rituals without understanding the principles behind it".

    Only thing is that I have spent enough effort at least to taste that the efforts by our ancestor rushis for the benefits of the globe, are great!! We cannot tell that they are superstitions. We should study practice and then claim that it is wrong. Till that point, we don't have any right to say that they are wrong. They are not typical laboratory science.

    But when you say that something is wrong, or superstition, you should be in an authoritative position to say that. Without reading our ancient repository of knowledge and enough Thapas on it, you cannot have the glimpse of even 1 line of that knowledge.

    Jai Bharat.

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  104. Sometimes facts are bitter. To close our eyes to facts is to live in ignorance and bliss. We need people like him to awaken us. But since 90% are fools/ idiots/ sheep (a billion), there are not enough takers for the right comment. Imagine getting stuck in a herd of buffaloes. The way to live for a minority of idealists is probably to tone down, mingle and survive. (Darwin's theory)

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  105. I wish Justice Katju had been a bit more specific. I personally feel the failure of India has to be blamed on the successive governments and in turn the politicians. he main reason is they continue to ensure that the 90% that Justice Katju refers to remain uneducated so that they can exploit them as vote banks. If even 10% of the effort put in family planning had been put in ensuring compulsory education 50-60 years ago, the population problem itself would have been controlled.

    No wonder, today, political parties are paying 100 rupees and or a bottle of country liquor for a vote! My take is if we have a population which can sell the future of the nation for a mere 100 rupees, then the very same politicians are the be blamed for bringing the people to such a state!

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    1. If judicery want can stop those by giving timely judgments, but respected sir will not tell that. Look all developed coutry, they improved due to timely judgments only, if judicery is ineficent, no country can go forward.

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  106. Well Said ! It takes courage to be direct.

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  107. @-Lisa -- आपको मेरी हिंदी भाषा में लिखी टिपण्णी समझ आ गयी , यही बहुत है , वरना तो 90 % हिन्दुस्तानी हिंदी बोलने और लिखने में शर्मिंदगी महसूस करते हैं और अंग्रेजों की भाषा में लिखने और बोलने में ही स्वयं को प्रबुद्ध नागरिक समझते हैं !

    And yes Lisa , You definitely belong to the category of 90 %.... lolz...Keep smiling otherwise you will start suffering from INSOMNIA.

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  108. Let people say what they want to.. This is a democracy, they have every right to do so. This is a fact and everyone knows about it. Sooner or later, everyone will realize that this is a harsh truth

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  109. .

    @ Ramesh... You seem to be a feeble minded imbecile who needs to be educated properly . By the way, you idiocy made me laugh. If you are able to understand My Hindi , then I can also understand your crap written in English. Morons like you are categorized and very well classified as 90 and 10 percent. You certainly belong to the category of 90 percent impotent and moronic lot.

    और हे महामूर्ख रमेश, हिंदी भाषा की इज्ज़त करना सीखो ! अंग्रेज की औलाद बनकर मुझसे तो इज्ज़त की उम्मीद मत करना ! और हाँ मुस्लिम तुष्टिकरण (muslim appeasement) की उम्मीद मुझसे मत करना ! जाओ तलवे चाटो आतंकवादी मुसलमानों के ! तुम्हारे जैसे लोग ही अजमल कसाब और अफज़ल गुरुओं को शरण देते हैं और हिन्दुओं के साथ घात करते हैं !

    By the way you are suffering from an incurable disease called- 'Pseudo-secularism'.

    Vande Matram !

    Divya Srivastava
    [ZEAL]

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  110. Most people don't realize that currently India is at the pinnacle of world attention. By 2030, India is expected to be a super power but not unless we do away with some nonsensical practices.

    A lot of people have that 'chalta hai' atitude. Look at countries like Japan, South Korea, Germany they have developed their systems due to sheer hard work, determination and open mindedness.

    India is not just a country, it is a world in itself. We CAN do wonders again if we all unite. PEACE

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  111. ear SATYAM BRUYAT - Justice Katju ,

    What you mentioned is old story and history, Winston Churchill gave open statements in house of commons and his opposition on Independence.and calling Indians as idiots....

    Sir Winston Churchill. . .argument against granting India / Pakistan Independence. . . .
    "Power will go to rascals, rogues, freebooters. . . .
    All leaders will be of low caliber & men of straw. . .
    They'll have sweet tongues & silly hearts. . .
    They will fight amongst themselves for power & the two countries will be lost in poli...tical squabbles. . . .
    A day would come when even air & water will be taxed."

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  112. Commercial break----Lunch time---Bon Appetit !

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    1. Stop spamming this page with so many comments.. Take a break get a life !

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    2. I agree with anonymous this lady has lost her bearings. She is frustrated.
      In fact ignore her, let her blabber about whatever non-sense she wants to.

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  113. To rephrase what Justice Katju said, 9 out of 10 people in India can be broadly classified into TWO groups based on their attitude-

    Chalta hai ! and Why bother ?

    which are not exactly what you can say as 'virtues'

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  114. Justice Katju for President!

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  115. Hats off Sir.. We need leaders like you..

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  116. At times I laugh when I notice that people leave everything for such a useless matter. Agreed those people think they are in the 90% but why is every one else so pumped up. Why is it a matter of discussion when every one knows the case is going to be shelved any how. I feel he meant, people go and get a life. Don't be gullible into believing mindless crap. Don't be wasting your time on who said what and mindless gossip. Work hard and have a broad mindset, which seems like a dream for a lot Indian people.

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  117. Reservation must be given to be superpower. Also if muslims and other who are backward give them 100 percent reservation. We will surely be secular and superpower one day...............! World body should also relax norms for india to be be superpower.

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  118. Sir, I am shocked to find your comment here as dowry deaths are common in India. Any unnatural death of a woman within seven years of her marraige is termed as dowry death. We have 8618 such cases registered in 2011. Conviction rate is around 36% meaning 64% of such cases are false. Then a learned person like you, how can u comment that dowry death is common. Also regarding female foeticide you mentioned it is so common. Then why the aborting mother is not sent to jail?

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  119. Dear sir, i am unable to understand why you are afrid to accept the truth that more men end their life than women in india? Why the same not crime? Does the pain of a mother or sister is less when they loss thier son or borother? Your view and comment in dowry death is biased and it proves behond resonable dought to you , what you termed to others. Now pls read the crime bure report every year the same trend.
    Crime Bure data,
    In the Year 2005, the Crime Against Men, More than Twenty-two Lacks sixty Four Thousands ( 92.88%) vs One Lack fifty-five thousands against women( 6.38%)?
    http://ncrb.nic.in/crime2005/cii-2005/Table%201.1.pdf
    Comp. Sue Moto By Police(FIR Registered): 24,37,973/-
    Crime Against Women : 1,55,553/-
    Crime against Child : 17,975/-
    Crime against Men : 22 ,64 , 445/-
    In the Year 2005 the Crime Against Men, More than Twenty-two Lacks sixty Four Thousands vs One Lack fifty-five thousands against women?

    % Wise All India Crime Against Men, Woemn and Child as Under :
    Crime Against Women : 6.38%
    Crime Against Child : 0.73%
    Crime Against Men : 92.88%
    We wonder Whose life is in More Danger in India : Men or Women?
    Crime Bure data 2005 : Married Men Sucide : 52k vs Married Women Sucide 28K.Still there is no LAW to Protect Men why?
    2006 Crime Bure Data : Married Men Sucide:55452 vs. Married Women Sucide:29869.
    2007 Crime Bure Data : Married Men Sucide:57593 vs. Married Women Sucide:30064.
    Will Our LAW Maker change the LAW 304B( dowry death) to 304C( Sowry Death) and 498A ( harrasement to wife) to 498B ( Sowry harrasement by wife) ?

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  120. Katju Sir,

    I have very high respect for you, but one of your comment on dowry deaths presents only half the picture and you know half picture can be very dangerous.

    While you mentioned that there are dowry deaths and harrassment in India, you forgot to add for one genuine dowry case there are 50 false dowry cases. Dowry law (498a) has become serious tool of extortion with connivance for police and corrupt lawyers. Because of this draconian rule, even Kasab's parents would be treated in much more respectable by the police than parents of a 498a victim, whose whole fault may be some argument with his wife.

    I appreciate if you can throw some light on that facet of law as well. A voice from an eminent person like you would help straighten matter a lot.

    Hope you'll do some due deligence on this matter for false dowry cases and will raise your voice against.

    Thanks
    RK

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  121. Dear sir, I was a idiot as you mentined by belive one sided story, today i do nto belive one sided sotry and stop abnuse of men. But the question is waht you term others, is not applicable to you , when you yourself still beleving the old mindset and one sided view sprade by male haters and the suffering of men never recornised?

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  122. Dear Sir,
    I think is you yourself told right? Bow down before your wife's 'diktat', SC tells husbands.
    In this country even a animal have right to get Justice, Protection, well fare but not for Indian Husbands. Supreme court of India opnely said the hard reality, Indian Husbands are Just Like a "Free ATM Machine".
    Now, the Question is are Indian Husbands ready to accept that hard reality and will wake up to Stop the Legal Terrorism against Indian Husbands or still prefer to sleep?
    Full news for your reference:
    Bow down before your wife's 'diktat', SC tells husbands
    NEW DELHI: If you want to buy matrimonial peace just do whatever your wife says!

    This is not some piece of advice from a marriage counsellor, rather it is from the country's apex court.

    A vacation bench of justices Markandeya Katju and Deepak Verma observed, "Bibi joh boltee hai woh sunno (listen to whatever your wife says), as otherwise it could land you in trouble. Because if you do not listen to her, you will suffer the consequences."

    "Hum sab bhogi hai (we are all sufferers)," the bench said in a lighter vein.

    The bench further said that a husband has to accept the suggestion of a wife irrespective of the fact whether it is sensible or not.

    "If your wife asks you to put your face that side, put it that side. If she says, put it this side, then put it this side. Otherwise you will face trouble. Hum sub bhogi hai," the bench remarked again.

    The interesting suggestions from the apex court evolved on Tuesday during a matrimonial case involving an Air Force official Deepak Kumar who complained that his estranged wife Manisha had ruined him and his family by implicating them in false criminal cases including sodomy.

    The couple got married 17 years ago but matrimonial disputes surfaced between the two soon after marriage.

    A district court in Chandigarh dismissed Deepak's plea for divorce as Manisha opposed it, but a single judge of the Punjab and Haryana High Court granted decree of judicial separation.

    On an appeal from Manisha, a division bench granted the decree of divorce as the marriage "had irretrievably broken down" besides directing Rs 10 lakh maintenance amount from Deepak to her.

    Aggrieved by the high court's order Manisha filed the appeal in the apex court challenging the decree of divorce.

    Deepak's counsel argued that Manisha even though had implicated her husband and his family in a host of criminal cases was yet opposing the divorce despite the marriage breaking down irretrievably.

    The vacation bench however, posted the matter for further hearing to July last week as there was no urgency in dealing with the matter.

    "You have waited for 17 years, so wait for a few more days," the bench said while switching over to the next item on the agenda.


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  123. As per my view , if india suffering any problem is due to Judicery , who even can't decide a simple divorce case in 17 years, waht we can expect in other cases? Blaming others is very easy , it is became habit of respected people to point fingers others than cleaning thier own home first where they work. Like a formaer Sc judge expected to work to clean up the judicery first than pointing fingers others, a prominent flim actor first should clean up the absue and expolitaion happen of women in his own industry first , but osrry they will not do that, instead they round all around and term others fool or idiots, yes i a idot , who do not understand why our judicery takes so long to give judgment of cases, where as international standarad even a murder case judgments comes in 6months, but in our contry for a simeple diovrce cases after 17 years do not get resolved, forget about any other cases like coroption, cases against high profile criminals.

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  124. Dear Justice Katju:

    Great! You have already become very popular among the freethinkers of India. This blog post has already gone viral in a big way.

    I for one am not among your 90%! I write a weekly blog, explaining science in a simple language. You may like to have a look at vinodwadhawan.blogspot.in

    More power to your pen.

    Vinod Wadhawan

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  125. Dear Sir,
    Every coin has two side one reflect negative and other positive. According to your this blog "Dowry deaths are common in India" but you are better aware that misuse of 498a,crpc-125,dv act etc are also common in India cause thousand of husband deaths and destroy of family harmony, cause inocent parents,sisters,brothers and relative sends to jail only on verbal communication of wife without any proof. Even if after many years of struggle in court when husband win the case there is not specific laws to punish such type of ladies who are misusing laws. So I agree you that 90% Indians are fool becuase they dont know how the laws are forcefully apply on them and they are still silent. Please forgive me if I have written anything wrong because I am not so intelligent, powerful as you.

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